Stories Of My Irish Families

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Tuesday 3 November 2015

This is where DNA technology, has placed my direct Paternal line.


I have drawn up this image, to show how DNA technology has placed my direct paternal line, in connection with an ancient Irish Dynasty called "Ui' Fidgenti".
This data was based from 2 sources - South Irish DNA project and Ytree.net.

The actual image is from Ytree.net, you can see that here : A-88 Tree

The A-88 tree is based under the South Irish DNA - Irish Type II - CTS4466 grouping.
The O'Donovan's and O'Collins/Collins form part of the Uí Fidgenti dynasty of Limerick.

The only link in historical references, between the Fitzgerald's and the O'Donovan's/Collins, refers to the disintegration of the dynasty, by the Normans (after 1169 AD), but more placed around the 13th century. Though the dating of the Y-DNA does point, to around the time, when the Norman Invasion occurred (with an estimation of about a century or so, either side of it).

There is a basic historical reference point mentioned in the "County of Limerick" Wikipedia page.
It outlines the connection to an particular era with the Fitzgerald's and the Uí Fidgenti, but does not mention the exactness of the faction of Fitzgerald.

It also has an open interpretation, that the Fitzgerald's may have taken advantage of internal wars and or in particular, the aftermath of it. The most consistent information via my family's Y-DNA, is a close relationship with the Fitzgibbon's and the O'Hearns.

So what we have, is a basic historical reference and a scientific reference - pointing to the same result. But we need to do more research, why we reference the Munster area.

One of the most interesting things (and I suppose quite confusing), is there is an involvement with the Dal Cais people (Dal Cais people are classified as Co. Clare/O'Brien/Brian Boru - or in the genetic term of L226/Irish Type III DNA).
These type of people created some sort of Northern resistance and seemed to push factions of families southwards into Northern Limerick - possibly around 1000AD era. As I have an O'Hearn name in my 111 Marker, their connection to us, seems to fit this trend and may have been pushed South, by the Co. Clare MacNamara's. The recorded placement of the ancient O'Hearn's, was around Sixmilebridge, Co.Clare
The O'Hearn name, in correlation to my Y-DNA, does not support the (Co. Clare/Northern) L226 DNA, but they do support the Southern (Munster) CTS4466 DNA. It suggests and adds weight to the argument, that there was a settlement of O'Hearn's in Munster - most possibly around the Uí Fidgenti area of Limerick.

I have 2initial thoughts with the internal wars around this era :
  • Did the Fitzgerald's invade Limerick just before the Uí Fidgenti disintegration and only accelerate the ending of it?
                                                                    OR
  • Did the Fitzgerald's invade at the end of the disintegration and take empty lands by default?

Some of my autosomal DNA matches, have Limerick and Far West Cork (Skibbereen) connections, involving the Collins surname. Which plausibly co-incides when the O'Donovan's/Collins people, that were pushed into South West Cork, by the Normans (The Fitzgerald's).
I have not tied up, why my Y-DNA references here, as I still don't know where my surname takes me before the very late 1700's era.
With 100% certainty, I know we were based in Cork City, of the South Parish Church of St. Finbarrs (RC) atleast to 1807. There is some sort of flip flopping between religions, as the Irish Emmigrant - Thomas Fitzgerald, landing in Australia in 1841, was Protestant and stayed Protestant until his death in 1859.

There is also, quite a Scottish flavour to the Y-DNA as well. Is it Gallowglass???
Were they the "Scots/Irish" around 800-1000 AD? Still trying to find how much Viking is there too.
I still don't know how to interpret this. A lot of Autosomal matches between Myself and my Father, show a strong trend with North Irish people under the M222 Haplogroup. This maybe totally unrelated, but it's quite the dominant haplogroup, in closer Autosomal matches.

The only way I can somewhat take out of this, it shows that we seemed to immerse ourselves with the Natives. Could this be showing the "after the invasion" effects of  family immersion to local society?
And, is this where the "Female Fitzgerald" story is coming from?

Jury is still out if this "immersion with society", with my paternal ancestor, was the product of an illegitimate birth or was it the product of a sanctioned marriage?

Pretty intense stuff.
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